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访谈录 2010-07-21&07-25 姐就是长的胖,怎么了吧-

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Information is good, and information in context is very good. The calories, I'm a big fan of calories post on menu board, but most people think they are supposed to eat 2000 calories because nutritional1 labels are always based on 2000 calories a diet. Or if you are six foot five, that works for you, but if you are a sedentary American, you really need…be eating somewhere roughly within, if you take your ideal healthy weight, whatever you perceive that to be, multiply that number by ten. That’s roughly your base level of calories since not very many, if you want to eat more than that, you have to exercise to earn those extra calories, so for someone like me, I can’t eat more than 1300 calories if I’m not goanna exercise, that’s not a lot of food. So I run four miles a day, and I’m eating somewhere close to 1800 calories a day, but people don’t understand that, everyone seems to think they are supposed to eat 2000 calories and we are warped2 in what we believe is a normal portion, a normal manner calories, and normal eating. Sorry, I just don’t understand what you just said. You were saying that you run four miles a day and eat only eighteen hundred calories, right? No, no, if... Or thirteen hundred if you don’t work out.
If I expect to stay in the low 120s, I’m five foot six, and that’s a healthy weight for me and I feel really great, every item of my blood panel and everything is in excellent shape. So if I were a sedentary person, did nothing, I would need to eat somewhere around 1300 calories, probably every bite of that, very nutritious3, to maintain the way where I am. Well, I’d like to eat more than that, so I make sure to exercise every single day. I run four miles, I happen to live in the city so I’m doing a lot of walking, so I’m able to get myself hundreds of more calories through exercise, so I can have indulgences, so I can eat more than I could, if I were sedentary with the expectation that I wanna stay the way where I am. That’s really interesting and that’s just about 300 calories off where I was about four years ago when I was really sick and had hair falling out of my head. But you are five foot nine.
No, you are right, and um, but I’m not saying you that have any anorexia4, I’m not saying that. I definitely believe, you know, that there’s something going on, cause you are quite passionate5 and I think a little fat-phobic. But I think that, you know, it’s, thirteen hundred calories is a little extreme. I really...
Which is why I don’t eat 1300 calories, but if you look at the longevity6 studies coming out of Harvard and University Wisconsin, you’ll see that the races among kids have been falling for decades now, those on about 30 percent decrease from what they would eat, if they could have access to all food, are living longer and better, and so there’s a lot of studies looking at, staying at lower-end BMI, perhaps giving us longevity and healthier longevity.
Right, so when I was eating 1000 calories, and lost my menstrual cycle for 3 years, and might not be able to have children. I mean I think that says something that’s way too little. Is anyone suggesting anyone do that, because that sounds terribly unhealthy? I think that if you get to a point of what appears to be a healthy way, but you do it in a very unhealthy manner, you are never going to be healthy.
I think it’s amazing that you say people aren’t recommending that, because most diets are. And if you…I wouldn’t know a thousand-calorie-diet sounds horrible, I don’t know… I guess it’s a weird7 fat diet recommended…No, it’s not even weird fat diet, it’s … if you look at sort of the things that we do, that we take on as our sort of healthy living habits that we get from the media, from people who are not , you know, nutritionists, people who are suggesting that we do these things, we wind up not eating.
But Maryann, would you agree the message right now was pretty much mostly vegetarian8 diet, drinking water instead of sweet drinks, and getting regular exercises, to me that seems to be the overt9 message and that seems to be like the pretty decent one, none startling, none frightening, mostly vegetarian diet.
Let me just break in for one second. I think we all know, eat right, exercise. I guess the point to Meme is we don’t have… There are a lot of people who believe we don’t have obesity10 epidemic11, and we have inactivity epidemic. I mean four miles a day sounds very ambitious running, but should we then talk bring discussion of exercise into this as well.
Well, I think that more movement is possible for some people than others. I mean I’m at work for nine to ten hours a day, I come home and you know there is the making of dinner, it’s dark outside, and I live in Florida, you know I’m lucky that I have fresh produce available year-round, but I don’t even have kids in my schedule list packed, you know between writing books, you know interacting with people. It’s certainly betweenone of thehealthy lifestyles. It’s certainly something that you have to make the time for, nobody in this stage is ever going to find the time because we are all so busy, but if it’s important to you and you want to fit it in, you can fit it in. And you know, I have a hard time with exercise, you know, something I didn’t do when I was living my way.
That’s right. I don’t like everyday making myself busy. I do it for…Because I want the consequences of exercise, I want the consequences of making healthy choices, it’s important to me.
And I make those choices as well, and I look completely different from you. You know there are times when I’m more active and there are time when I’m not as active based on whatever is going on in my life, when I’m not…But you don’t even know how many calories you are taking in because you don’t count them. Weight lost and weight gain is calories in, calories out. You are gonna gain...
But to your point I just answer what you brought up. Over the decades we have not seen a dramatic change or dramatic decrease in activity, we’ve seen a dramatic increase in calorie intake12. I will never fight against exercise; you cannot be healthy without daily exercise, no matter what size you are, but we have not seen in the studies a dramatic decrease, even though we all need more exercises, there has not been a dramatic decrease in exercise over the decades, but a dramatic increase in calories intake.
If you knew, if we knew what it took to decrease excess fat accumulation and the fat itself, and let those fats be released for energy, so that the body would no longer become obese13, and we do know that answer, why aren’t we telling the American public this when the answer is not only known, but it’s been known for well over a hundred years?
Are you talking about a diet with so many hidden sugars and refined carbohydrates15 that spikes17 insulin so we are packing on fat and the general population's unaware18 of that? Because I’m glad that you brought that up because it is leading us into a diabetic state, pre-diabetic state, and when we do spike16 our sugar, the insulin rushes in, and then you think you are hungry now or later, so it’s an artificial cue to eat, and when you do have this burst of insulin, you are packing on fat, especially in the mid-section, so it is so important that we get the hidden sugars out of the foods, because the food marketers want us to eat more so it make sense for them to hide it in everything that we eat.  So this is why the health wouldn’t be considered a healthy diet like you were mentioning before, that you ate a healthy diet, you eat a healthy diet and yet you are still over fat, perhaps what we consider a healthy diet isn’t one. So I will take a little bit issue with something you said, maybe Dr. Bether can correct me, but there are studies that correlate inactivity with children, i.e. numbers of hours watching TV, etc, and increases in childhood obesity, so maybe it doesn’t have direct correlation19 to fat storage, but clearly it correlates to inactivity, it correlates to weight gain among kids.
You are right, there is a lot of epidemiologic data that shows an increa ... the correlated increased sedentary activity in children and obesity and overweight. Somewhere it has to do with the behaviors, when children are watching television, it’s a…There’s very often a linked behavior, if he sits down to watch TV, he get a bag of chips, and a soda20 to drink, and those are linked. So there is that connection, there is not, though, a lot of evidence that choose that interventions21 that focus solely22 on exercise will lose a lot of weight, you really need that accommodation. You will, you're gonna do one thing to reduce weight, focusing on healthy choices on food, it's gonna have more impact, but there are so many other reasons to get kids out to play, and it is part of the equation, it’s just not that strong on its own.
This is mostly a question for Ms. Roth,  given that better indicators23 of health are things such as your cholesterol24 level, your blood pressure, you know and all those sorts of other things, why are we not focusing on those numbers rather than the number on a scale?
I think that we are absolutely looking at those numbers, and if you go to get any blood report, those are the numbers they look at, if they are looking at the rise of diabetes25, they are certainly looking at glucose26, when we are looking at refined carbohydrate14 and sugar, we are looking at the triglycerides that result in blood stream, so we are looking at all of those numbers, and I think the number on the scale is when you looking at the BMI, you going to a school, it’s not invasive, they can get a lot of kids on the same time, as an initial screening. I’ve never known anyone to take BMI and make a final, medical diagnosis27 based on it, but it’s an excellent cheap, not invasive …We are not talking about medical diagnosis; we are talking about broad legislation, not broad legislation, broad, um, rules and things that are being put into place based on their BMI, not their blood pressure, not their cholesterol.
When you go back to insurance and you know what, as long as the actuarials are using the BMI equals this much risk, equals this much cost, that’s what they are goanna use. If they were, if they had all this information, if you, everyone of us gave all of our medical data over and said: look at everything and decide, maybe it will come out differently, but they are saying that they are drawing a connection between high weight to disease, to high cost. And as long as that’s the case, that’s how they are gonna set up that business model.


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1 nutritional 4HRxN     
adj.营养的,滋养的
参考例句:
  • A diet lacking in nutritional value will not keep a person healthy.缺乏营养价值的饮食不能维持人的健康。
  • The labels on food products give a lot of information about their nutritional content.食品上的标签提供很多关于营养成分的信息。
2 warped f1a38e3bf30c41ab80f0dce53b0da015     
adj.反常的;乖戾的;(变)弯曲的;变形的v.弄弯,变歪( warp的过去式和过去分词 );使(行为等)不合情理,使乖戾,
参考例句:
  • a warped sense of humour 畸形的幽默感
  • The board has warped. 木板翘了。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》
3 nutritious xHzxO     
adj.有营养的,营养价值高的
参考例句:
  • Fresh vegetables are very nutritious.新鲜蔬菜富于营养。
  • Hummingbirds have discovered that nectar and pollen are very nutritious.蜂鸟发现花蜜和花粉是很有营养的。
4 anorexia PwozK     
n.厌食症
参考例句:
  • Anorexia can creep up on young girls when they least expect it.年轻女子可能在最没有防备的情況下患上厌食症。
  • Anorexia is a common eating disorder.厌食是一种常见的饮食紊乱症。
5 passionate rLDxd     
adj.热情的,热烈的,激昂的,易动情的,易怒的,性情暴躁的
参考例句:
  • He is said to be the most passionate man.据说他是最有激情的人。
  • He is very passionate about the project.他对那个项目非常热心。
6 longevity C06xQ     
n.长命;长寿
参考例句:
  • Good habits promote longevity.良好的习惯能增长寿命。
  • Human longevity runs in families.人类的长寿具有家族遗传性。
7 weird bghw8     
adj.古怪的,离奇的;怪诞的,神秘而可怕的
参考例句:
  • From his weird behaviour,he seems a bit of an oddity.从他不寻常的行为看来,他好像有点怪。
  • His weird clothes really gas me.他的怪衣裳简直笑死人。
8 vegetarian 7KGzY     
n.素食者;adj.素食的
参考例句:
  • She got used gradually to the vegetarian diet.她逐渐习惯吃素食。
  • I didn't realize you were a vegetarian.我不知道你是个素食者。
9 overt iKoxp     
adj.公开的,明显的,公然的
参考例句:
  • His opponent's intention is quite overt.他的对手的意图很明显。
  • We should learn to fight with enemy in an overt and covert way.我们应学会同敌人做公开和隐蔽的斗争。
10 obesity Dv1ya     
n.肥胖,肥大
参考例句:
  • One effect of overeating may be obesity.吃得过多能导致肥胖。
  • Sugar and fat can more easily lead to obesity than some other foods.糖和脂肪比其他食物更容易导致肥胖。
11 epidemic 5iTzz     
n.流行病;盛行;adj.流行性的,流传极广的
参考例句:
  • That kind of epidemic disease has long been stamped out.那种传染病早已绝迹。
  • The authorities tried to localise the epidemic.当局试图把流行病限制在局部范围。
12 intake 44cyQ     
n.吸入,纳入;进气口,入口
参考例句:
  • Reduce your salt intake.减少盐的摄入量。
  • There was a horrified intake of breath from every child.所有的孩子都害怕地倒抽了一口凉气。
13 obese uvIya     
adj.过度肥胖的,肥大的
参考例句:
  • The old man is really obese,it can't be healthy.那位老人确实过于肥胖了,不能算是健康。
  • Being obese and lazy is dangerous to health.又胖又懒危害健康。
14 carbohydrate FTPy0     
n.碳水化合物;糖类;(plural)淀粉质或糖类
参考例句:
  • You should not have too much carbohydrate in your diet.你日常饮食中不该有过多碳水化合物。
  • Cashew nuts are rich in carbohydrate.腰果含丰富碳水化合物。
15 carbohydrates 001f0186d1ea717492c413ca718f2635     
n.碳水化合物,糖类( carbohydrate的名词复数 );淀粉质或糖类食物
参考例句:
  • The plant uses the carbohydrates to make cellulose. 植物用碳水化合物制造纤维素。 来自《简明英汉词典》
  • All carbohydrates originate from plants. 所有的碳水化合物均来自植物。 来自辞典例句
16 spike lTNzO     
n.长钉,钉鞋;v.以大钉钉牢,使...失效
参考例句:
  • The spike pierced the receipts and held them in order.那个钉子穿过那些收据并使之按顺序排列。
  • They'll do anything to spike the guns of the opposition.他们会使出各种手段来挫败对手。
17 spikes jhXzrc     
n.穗( spike的名词复数 );跑鞋;(防滑)鞋钉;尖状物v.加烈酒于( spike的第三人称单数 );偷偷地给某人的饮料加入(更多)酒精( 或药物);把尖状物钉入;打乱某人的计划
参考例句:
  • a row of iron spikes on a wall 墙头的一排尖铁
  • There is a row of spikes on top of the prison wall to prevent the prisoners escaping. 监狱墙头装有一排尖钉,以防犯人逃跑。 来自《简明英汉词典》
18 unaware Pl6w0     
a.不知道的,未意识到的
参考例句:
  • They were unaware that war was near. 他们不知道战争即将爆发。
  • I was unaware of the man's presence. 我没有察觉到那人在场。
19 correlation Rogzg     
n.相互关系,相关,关连
参考例句:
  • The second group of measurements had a high correlation with the first.第二组测量数据与第一组高度相关。
  • A high correlation exists in America between education and economic position.教育和经济地位在美国有极密切的关系。
20 soda cr3ye     
n.苏打水;汽水
参考例句:
  • She doesn't enjoy drinking chocolate soda.她不喜欢喝巧克力汽水。
  • I will freshen your drink with more soda and ice cubes.我给你的饮料重加一些苏打水和冰块。
21 interventions b4e9b73905db5b0213891229ce84fdd3     
n.介入,干涉,干预( intervention的名词复数 )
参考例句:
  • Economic analysis of government interventions deserves detailed discussion. 政府对经济的干预应该给予充分的论述。 来自辞典例句
  • The judge's frequent interventions made a mockery of justice. 法官的屡屡干预是对正义的践踏。 来自互联网
22 solely FwGwe     
adv.仅仅,唯一地
参考例句:
  • Success should not be measured solely by educational achievement.成功与否不应只用学业成绩来衡量。
  • The town depends almost solely on the tourist trade.这座城市几乎完全靠旅游业维持。
23 indicators f46872fc1b5f08e9d32bd107be1df829     
(仪器上显示温度、压力、耗油量等的)指针( indicator的名词复数 ); 指示物; (车辆上的)转弯指示灯; 指示信号
参考例句:
  • The economic indicators are better than expected. 经济指标比预期的好。
  • It is still difficult to develop indicators for many concepts used in social science. 为社会科学领域的许多概念确立一个指标仍然很难。
24 cholesterol qrzzV     
n.(U)胆固醇
参考例句:
  • There is cholesterol in the cell of body.人体细胞里有胆固醇。
  • They are determining the serum-protein and cholesterol levels.他们正在测定血清蛋白和胆固醇的浓度。
25 diabetes uPnzu     
n.糖尿病
参考例句:
  • In case of diabetes, physicians advise against the use of sugar.对于糖尿病患者,医生告诫他们不要吃糖。
  • Diabetes is caused by a fault in the insulin production of the body.糖尿病是由体內胰岛素分泌失调引起的。
26 glucose Fyiyz     
n.葡萄糖
参考例句:
  • I gave him an extra dose of glucose to pep him up.我给他多注射了一剂葡萄糖以增强他的活力。
  • The doctor injected glucose into his patient's veins.医生将葡萄糖注入病人的静脉。
27 diagnosis GvPxC     
n.诊断,诊断结果,调查分析,判断
参考例句:
  • His symptoms gave no obvious pointer to a possible diagnosis.他的症状无法作出明确的诊断。
  • The engineer made a complete diagnosis of the bridge's collapse.工程师对桥的倒塌做一次彻底的调查分析。
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