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'Stranger Things' Star David Harbour Will Take Messy Over Perfect Any Day
NOEL KING, HOST:
It's an explosive Fourth of July in the little town of Hawkins, Ind., but I'm not talking about fireworks.
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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: (As character, speaking over walkie-talkie, unintelligible1.)
(SOUNDBITE OF ROARING)
KING: You know what that music means. Mike, Eleven and their little gang of brave nerds are back. "Stranger Things" Season 3 is out today. So a monster from the Upside Down dimension is terrorizing the town again, and Police Chief Jim Hopper has his hands full. He has adopted Eleven. She's now a teenager who not only has superpowers, she also has her first boyfriend.
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "STRANGER THINGS")
DAVID HARBOUR: (As Jim Hopper) Hey. Hey, 3-inch minimum. Leave the door open 3 inches. El, open this door.
FINN WOLFHARD: (As Mike Wheeler) What's wrong?
KING: Actor David Harbour plays Chief Hopper in the show, and Harbour says saving the world from monsters seems easier than being a dad.
HARBOUR: As bad as the superpowers were in Season 2, the boyfriend is 10 times worse in Season 3.
KING: (Laughter) Yeah, you mix hormones2 in and everything...
HARBOUR: (Laughter).
KING: ...Talk about the Upside Down, right?
HARBOUR: Yeah, exactly.
KING: So I wonder, you've been working with these child actors. This is Season 3 now. Is it weird3 watching them grow up, I mean, watching them get tall and skinny and turn into awkward teenagers, not just little kids?
HARBOUR: Yeah, I mean, weird is not even the word. It's sort of profound, you know? I mean, there are - and that, I think, is one of the most amazing things of the show this season. You watch the kids grow up in real time, and you feel the passage of time more strongly than anything you could write or act.
When they started, like, I used to look at them as - especially, I don't know. I pick on him all the time. But I remember little Finn Wolfhard...
KING: (Laughter).
HARBOUR: ...With his little, pudgy face and tiny stature4. And now he's like a rock 'n' roll god or something. He's got this band.
KING: This is Mike.
HARBOUR: Yes, this is Mike.
KING: He's tall and skinny...
HARBOUR: Yes, but...
KING: ...And good haircut.
HARBOUR: ...He's got chiseled5 features, and he's just, like, dreamy.
KING: (Laughter).
HARBOUR: So, yeah, I mean, it's very strange. And, like, I sort of mirror Hopper in a sense, where I started off with them trying to be very separate, you know, even with my work. I just wanted to be apart from them. And then as the show grows and they grow and they become more of who they are, we've gotten closer and closer.
KING: Do you give them advice, like teenagers...
HARBOUR: Sure, but they don't listen.
KING: Yeah.
HARBOUR: I mean, I don't know that they're not listening to us. That would be unfair, but I think that, as young artists, they're getting so much success. And I really want them to be the next - you know, I want Millie to be the next Meryl Streep. And I want Finn to be the next Daniel Day Lewis. And I want - I mean, I have these desires for them to be the great actors of the next generation.
And I feel like that takes work, and it takes development. And it takes acting7 classes. Even when you're paid a lot and well respected for your acting and even when it's good, at a certain level, it still takes development of that tool, of that - that, you know, toolbox.
KING: Well, we should know that you are, like, a capital A, Actor. You've done a lot of stage work. You've played a lot of serious roles. When you were coming up, did you want to be famous, or did you just want to be an actor?
HARBOUR: Well, I - of course, in the back of my mind, there was a draw to fame.
KING: Yeah.
HARBOUR: I looked at the celebrities8 that I grew up with, you know, Harrison Ford9 or Gene6 Hackman and these guys. And I looked at them as a sort of American royalty10. And then, as I've progressed, along that line, it's become more and more apparent that, you know, I want to be the messy artist that I always dreamed of being when I was a kid.
KING: Do you mean messy with your life, messy with your work, like, what...
HARBOUR: I mean messy with my work.
KING: Yeah, yeah.
HARBOUR: Especially as we move forward with these superhero movies and all this sort of zeitgeist of things happening, there's a temptation to be more beautiful and more capable. And I've always been drawn11 to characters that are less than capable, that make me feel not alone in my weirdness12, in the fact that I don't always fit in and the fact that I don't always do the right thing and in all these sort of ways.
That sort of mess, I want to bring to the screen so that people can maybe feel deeper empathy for others. We're all a bit of a mess. I mean, we're all kind of chaotically13 struggling to get through this life in various forms. And there's a lot of joy in that and a lot of sadness and a lot of all kinds of different emotions.
So I've always wanted to portray14 that much more than to be someone who people looked at as perfect.
KING: Well, I'll tell you something. You're doing it really well.
HARBOUR: Thanks.
KING: There's this moment in Season 3. Chief Hopper, you know, he's the chief. He's got a daughter now, but he still lives in a cabin in the woods.
HARBOUR: (Laughter).
KING: Then he gets stood up on a dinner date in a fancy restaurant. So I'm watching this last night. I'm going to tell you the truth. I started crying.
HARBOUR: Oh, no. Really?
KING: I felt terrible for him.
HARBOUR: Oh, that's amazing (laughter).
KING: I said, this poor guy in his fancy - he put on, like, a Hawaiian-print shirt, and he's sitting at the restaurant alone. I felt terrible about that, but it sounds like you're saying that's the art, right there (laughter).
HARBOUR: Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Oh, I love that you had that response.
KING: Oh, gosh.
HARBOUR: That's so generous of you as a human being.
(LAUGHTER)
HARBOUR: I mean, I think one of the most fun things about this season is that, you know, in the first season, we sort of unpacked16 how he had been a man of justice, and he wasn't anymore. And he had to reawaken that. In the second season, we sort of unpack15 this fact that he was - he had been a father at one point, and he had to unpack that.
And so in this season, he kind of chaotically goes about how to become a man again. And one of those things is, yeah, he subconsciously17 is responding to television like "Magnum P.I." I mean, he shaves his beard into a mustache. He buys an '80s-type outfit18, and he tries to be like a modern, cool guy. And it doesn't succeed very well. But I like that he's trying. I love that.
KING: Yeah.
HARBOUR: I think that's very beautiful about him.
KING: I have a question for you - Season 1, deep cut, real fans are going to get it. Do you still want justice for Barb19?
(LAUGHTER)
KING: Because I...
HARBOUR: Oh, we're going to go there.
KING: (Laughter).
HARBOUR: We're going to go there.
KING: Barb, we should say for people who have not obsessively20 watched the show as I have, is the best friend of the character Nancy, a teenage girl whose younger brother is one of the main characters. And Barb goes missing in Season 1 and just meets a terrible fate, and it's all very unfair.
HARBOUR: (Laughter) It's so funny. I was just thinking about that the other day. She was such a great character, and I think each season gets better, and especially this season I think is so beautiful and epic21 and profound. And I was like, oh, we can't get any better than this. And the only thing I thought was, I kind of wish Barb was around.
KING: Yeah.
HARBOUR: (Laughter) Like that was the only...
KING: It would be...
HARBOUR: It would be...
KING: ...Better if she was here (laughter).
HARBOUR: Right? She makes everything a little better.
KING: David Harbour plays Police Chief Jim Hopper in "Stranger Things." Season 3 starts on Netflix today. David, thanks so much for coming in. We appreciate it.
HARBOUR: Thank you. That was great. Appreciate it.
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