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美国国家公共电台 NPR Aparna Nancherla: 'I'm Still Shy,' Even As A Stand-Up Star

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AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

We've been talking about the comedy business and some of the women breaking the rules of what comedy can be in 2019. For instance, social media is the new calling card, where you can build your audience, maybe be discovered and booked for shows. The comedian1 Aparna Nancherla has made her struggles with the social media side of the job part of her stand-up routine. Here she is on "The Late Show With Stephen Colbert."

(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT")

APARNA NANCHERLA: I think social media is my main vice2, though I did have a big development with Instagram. I discovered the mute button and just went wild with power. Like, I turned into someone I didn't know, but I'm glad I met her. I tried to start out conservative. I picked out a few people, and I was just like, I'll just work back up to not being threatened by her level of success, you know?

(LAUGHTER)

NANCHERLA: But then before I knew it, even puppies were being silenced. I was just, like, ugh. They're just getting younger and younger, you know?

(APPLAUSE)

CORNISH: Now, this brand of comedy made Aparna Nancherla a star. Recently she did back-to-back sets at the Outside Lands Music and Arts Festival in San Francisco.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Everyone please welcome to the stage Aparna Nancherla.

(APPLAUSE)

CORNISH: And that's where we sat down to talk before a sold-out crowd. I last interviewed her in 2016 the day before the presidential election, and she told me then her little online community was called sad girl Twitter. She has more company now.

NANCHERLA: Yeah, it's interesting. After the election, I think I started talking about almost the gentrification of mental health a little bit, where a lot of new people started moving into the neighborhood...

CORNISH: Right.

NANCHERLA: ...Of anxiety and depression.

CORNISH: Acted like they invented it...

NANCHERLA: Yeah. You're like, welcome, but I've always lived here.

CORNISH: That's because she's struggled with anxiety her whole life.

OK. Some people say they were a shy kid, but according to your parents, you were very, very shy. What did that look like?

NANCHERLA: Well, the interesting thing is a lot of people do say they were shy kids, but it's always framed as a story of triumph. And they're like, look at me now, you know? Like, I've got seven shows, and I'm never not telling it like it is. And I feel like I'm still shy, and I think my thing is kind of, like, I don't think it's something you have to overcome necessarily because I think it's something we often, as a society, look at as something that is a flaw or a weakness. And I think I maybe came from a shyer place. Like, I was definitely heavily introverted. I lived in books. My parents made me practice being more assertive3 by, like, ordering pizzas over the phone. Like, that was one of the many...

CORNISH: That's high pressure.

NANCHERLA: It's very high pressure.

CORNISH: How old were you when this is happening?

NANCHERLA: I think maybe 8.

CORNISH: That's like...

NANCHERLA: Such a high-stakes - like an action movie just like - OK, I'm going to need two mediums.

(LAUGHTER)

CORNISH: So nobody in her family in Virginia outside Washington, D.C., where she grew up imagined she'd do comedy for a living. She told us that one summer, when she was home from college - on a mental health break, actually - she went to an open mic stand-up show and took a turn on stage. She loved it. So I asked her about when she started to pursue comedy for real because it sounds like it was another story.

Your father has said that, you know, you would come home from those early attempts at stand-up and sometimes be in tears.

NANCHERLA: Yeah.

CORNISH: And again, it's that moment of - like, what pushes you?

NANCHERLA: I think there was a part of me that was sort of stubbornly like, no. I'm going to make them listen to what I have to say, and if I - if it doesn't work tonight, I'm going to figure out, like, a halfway4 point because I think I've often lived enough of my life in my head that a lot of times, I just want to, like, translate what I'm seeing to the rest of the world.

CORNISH: Now that she's a pro5 and in the public eye and on social media, there are a lot more people listening.

NANCHERLA: There is a lot more people yelling at me, like, all the time, and I think that's made me a little bit more wary6 of it. If it's a political tweet or something, it'll be trolls. Sometimes, it'll be someone who saw some of my work, and they'll be like, you know, you're terrible. I don't think you should be allowed on - you know, to have a career or whatever it is. But it's just enough noise that I think, as someone who absorbs everything at face value, I'm kind of like, I don't know why I care so much about, like, a faceless entity7, but the fact that I do is maybe making me second-guess this whole thing. Yeah.

CORNISH: You were talking, I think, in your set last night about - you'd made a passing comment about Taylor Swift and felt the backlash was almost immediate8.

NANCHERLA: Yeah. So I said she has a new single out called "ME!," which is also ironically what she called all her relationships, which...

(LAUGHTER)

NANCHERLA: I know.

(APPLAUSE)

NANCHERLA: Oh, wow.

CORNISH: Whoa.

NANCHERLA: Wow.

CORNISH: Hit the mute button for the rest of the afternoon.

NANCHERLA: I was like - I was ready to be dragged.

(LAUGHTER)

NANCHERLA: But yeah, all of her fans, they came for me.

(LAUGHTER)

CORNISH: Thoughts and prayers...

NANCHERLA: Yeah. Thank you, Audie. Thank you.

CORNISH: But it's not just about jokes. Aparna Nancherla's whole brand of humor lives at the intersection9 of laughter and sadness, and I asked Nancherla about the pitfalls10 of offering up one's vulnerabilities for laughs.

NANCHERLA: I think I started talking about mental health on stage as a way to essentially11 cope with it. I was struggling with depression at the time, and I wasn't able to write about anything else, so I'd just start writing - trying to write some jokes around the depressive thoughts that were filling my mind. And then I tried that on stage and received more of a reception for it than I expected.

But the more I've talked about and the more I've almost been branded that way where it's like, oh, she's a woman of color who talks about mental health, I have worried a little bit about the real estate I've given it in my brain in terms of, like - are you now making this a part of your identity? Or are you giving it room to be like, no, this is all you're about, which I think in a way has - I almost think it's been, like, fuel for my anxiety where it's like, oh, you think you can make money off of me? Well, I'll show you what I can do - where it's, like, gotten worse in a sense, and depression, too, around, like, factors like success or, like, career has gotten louder in a lot of ways.

CORNISH: And yet, in the last few years, she's toured the country and done shows for Netflix and Comedy Central, and frankly12, it feels like the tale of triumph she first told me this interview would not be.

Is there something you feel like you could tell 8-year-old Aparna - right? - who's, like, trying to make that pizza order and is terrified?

NANCHERLA: Yeah. I think it's just you - I mean, it's just the simple kind of self-care, I think, thing that you hear thrown around a lot but I think is actually true in a deep way, which is that, like, you're enough. And, like, you're enough regardless of, you know, how many followers13 you have, what you've done in your work or how many - how well your relationship is going. Like, you could literally14 just sit on the ground and not do anything and you're, like, a worthy15 human being.

CORNISH: Well, I want to thank you. Aparna Nancherla, thank you...

NANCHERLA: Thank you.

CORNISH: ...So much for speaking with us here at Outside Lands.

(APPLAUSE)

CORNISH: Comedian Aparna Nanacherla. We spoke16 to her before a live audience in San Francisco for our series on the rule-breaking women of comedy.


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n.喜剧演员;滑稽演员
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