请向外行们介绍一下这个大会，这里既有严肃的科目，也有愚笨的东西。

　　There is the social side and the technical content. People come to learn and share knowledge.

　　这个大会包含技术的内容和社交方面。人们可以学习和分享技术

　　Then there is the need to make new friends. I try to grow both sides.

　　在这里也有结交朋友的需求。我希望两方面我都能做到。

　　If you grew up in the hacking scene in the early days, with no video cameras and web chat, you formed your opinion of them based on what they did.

　　如果你是从那个没有视频摄像头和网络聊天的早期黑客环境中长大，你会根据那些黑客的所作所为来了解他们。

　　People accepted each other for what they did or what they knew.

　　人们也因为各自所做的事或所知道的东西而相互接受。

　　You see people here with blue hair, dreadlocks or business suits.

　　你看一下这里的人，染着蓝色头发的、梳小辫的、穿正规职业装的

　　They’ll be sitting around a table having a conversation because they have something in common and have moved past what you look like. That’s a big success.

　　他们都围坐在一张桌子上交流，他们有共同点并经历相似，这是一个很大的成功。

　　What’s the contrast between Defcon and Black Hat?

　　黑客大会和黑帽黑客有什么区别？

　　Black Hat is like college and Defcon is the fraternity party. We also have really great content. At Defcon, it’s what I want to see.

　　黑帽黑客是学院派，黑客大会是江湖派。在黑客大会我们也有很好的内容，这是我想看到的。

　　I want to learn about hacking Xboxes, satellite systems, and lockpicking, weird conspiracies.

　　来黑客大会的人想学习如何破解Xbox游戏主机，破解卫星系统，或者开锁等怪异的阴谋。

　　That content doesn’t make sense at Black Hat where there is more of a corporate focus.

　　这些东西放在黑帽将很不合时宜，-因为黑帽的参与者多是公司。

　　How concerned are you about how the show looks to the rest of the world—about whether it’s on the right side of the law or responsible behavior?

　　你是否注意到外部世界对你们的看法，比如，是否偏离法律或责任？

　　I don’t really care what the rest of the world thinks.

　　我并不关心外 界的看法。

　　How do you stay on the right side?

　　你如何保证不走歪路？

　　You have to set an example and hope people follow it.

　　你需要树立一个榜样，希望其他人学着这个样子来。

　　I can’t control what they do. If they want to be criminals, they will be criminals.

　　但我无法控制他们的行为。如果他们想犯罪，他们就会犯罪。

　　I try to show them there are alternatives. You shouldn’t be ordered what to do.

　　我试图向他们展示，还有别的选择。你不能命令别人如何做。