美国国家公共电台 NPR For 'Last Jedi' Director, The Journey To 'Star Wars' Began With Action Figures（在线收听）

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DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Yes, the newest chapter of "Star Wars" is in theaters today. Some of us were so excited we went last night. But that's beside the point. "The Last Jedi" marks the return of actors - Mark Hamill, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver and, of course, the late Carrie Fisher. The space opera was written and directed by Rian Johnson, who is also going to be working on the next "Star Wars" trilogy. NPR's Mandalit del Barco tells us more about the man tasked with creating nostalgia for generations to come.

MANDALIT DEL BARCO, BYLINE: Rian Johnson has been a "Star Wars" fan since he was a little boy in Denver playing with his action figures.

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RIAN JOHNSON: My mom surprised me and got me a Jawa. I wanted a Jawa, and she got it for me. But then it's always - you always end up losing the main characters. And you're left with, like, hammer head and, like, walrus man with the weird droid whose name you don't know, who's missing a leg. Those were the first movies I was making in my head.

DEL BARCO: The filmmaker, who turns 44 on Sunday, says his favorite character was Luke Skywalker.

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JOHNSON: Han Solo was cool, but I was not cool growing up. So I identified with this kid who's - feels like he's in the middle of nowhere and disconnected from everything, who, I guess - back to that thing of what these movies really appeal to, you know - the idea of there is this big adventure that's out there that you can jump into. And it's scary, but it's going to be OK. And it's fun.

DEL BARCO: For Johnson, that meant everything from making home movies to goofing around with Daisy Ridley and Mark Hamill on location for "The Last Jedi."

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JOHNSON: (Humming).

MARK HAMILL: (Humming).

DEL BARCO: Fans say "The Last Jedi" captures the spirit of the original "Star Wars" movies. During Disney's D23 Expo, actor Mark Hamill told them Johnson's script was refreshing.

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HAMILL: There were so many unexpected elements, which is great in a "Star Wars" film because it's getting harder and harder to bring new things to the table. And this is a real game changer.

DEL BARCO: It's also a tribute to Carrie Fisher, who died suddenly last year after shooting her scenes. Johnson says he gets choked up watching Fisher as Princess Leia Organa Solo, now a general of the Resistance.

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JOHNSON: Honestly, it's really weird just being on the press tour right now and not having her around because this is where she would just be a raging wildfire, you know? This is where she would just be chewing them up and spitting them out in press interviews.

DEL BARCO: Here's a less feisty Carrie Fisher in a behind-the-scenes video shown at Disney's D23 Expo last summer talking about "The Last Jedi."

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CARRIE FISHER: It's about family, and that's what's so powerful about it.

DEL BARCO: The newest member of that family is actress Kelly Marie Tran. On the red carpet at the premiere, Tran was ecstatic about how Johnson plucked her from obscurity to be in the film.

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KELLY MARIE TRAN: He was so welcoming and collaborative and open and hilarious. And he has this sort of childlike wonder that not many people have. Anybody who gets to work with him is just the luckiest.

DEL BARCO: Johnson grew up making Super 8 and video movies with his younger brothers and sisters and cousins. He also sang in a folk duo called "The Preserves" with one of those cousins, Nathan Johnson, who's composed the music for most of Rian's movies. As a film student at USC in the 1990s, Johnson began collaborating with cinematographer Steve Yedlin. They made such films as "Evil Demon Golfball From Hell!!!"

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DEL BARCO: After USC, Johnson was an assistant editor, a post-production runner, and he produced promos for the Disney channel. For a decade, he also worked on his first feature, "Brick," a high school detective movie.

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JOSEPH GORDON-LEVITT: (As Brendan Frye) It's too hot. You got a discipline issue with me? Write me up or suspend me.

DEL BARCO: The movie starred Joseph Gordon-Levitt and was shot by Steve Yedlin and produced by Ram Bergman.

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RAM BERGMAN: It is from A to Z. I'm there from the first day that he starts thinking about it all the way until we deliver the movie. And I'm there to support him. We're partners.

DEL BARCO: Bergman says they shot "Brick" for around $350,000. And they filmed it at Johnson's old high school in San Clemente, Calif.

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JOHNSON: It was a weird little detective movie. And Ram was the reason I felt comfortable taking money from family and loved ones in order to make it because I thought, well, if Ram is running things, then we'll actually have a movie when we come out the other end of it all.

DEL BARCO: Ram Bergman went on to produce all of Rian Johnson's movies - "Looper," "The Brothers Bloom" and now "Star Wars: The Last Jedi." Johnson has also used his same cinematographer, Steve Yedlin, and editor, Bob Ducsay. His loyalty extends to his actors as well. Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Noah Segan have acted in them all. They even have bit parts in "The Last Jedi." Segan says his best friend, Rian Johnson, has a through line in all of his movies.

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NOAH SEGAN: He has a tendency to be unafraid to allow his heroes to be vulnerable in heroic moments, and it started in "Brick."

DEL BARCO: You can see that vulnerability in the three episodes Johnson directed for the AMC series "Breaking Bad."

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BRYAN CRANSTON: (As Walter White) I watched her overdose and choke to death. I could have saved her, but I didn't.

DEL BARCO: Bryan Cranston earned an Emmy for his performance in the episode "Ozymandias," which some critics have called the greatest hour of television.

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CRANSTON: Rian has that ability to be able to find the core and then put veneer over it so that an audience senses something's deeper about that character or the plot. And then you slowly reveal it to show the audience what they inherently thought it was going to be or surprise them with a justifiable twist and catches them off guard. That's beautiful narrative when you can do that.

DEL BARCO: Cranston says it makes sense that Johnson was chosen to write and direct "Star Wars" with his ability to create both intimate, almost theater-like scenes to cinematic galactic battles.

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CRANSTON: For a storyteller, playing with the action figures was a precursor to blocking. He may not have even realized that himself, but that's exactly what he was working on when he was a little nerd boy in middle school (laughter).

DEL BARCO: Johnson still laments that his original "Star Wars" figures were lost or destroyed long, long ago.

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JOHNSON: The toy I always wanted was the AT-AT, the Walker.

DEL BARCO: Last week, fans from "The Star Wars Show" made little Rian Johnson's dream come true.

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JOHNSON: They found me a vintage Walker toy, and they gave it to me. So now I have in my office - I got it home, and I tore it out of the box. And I set it up, and it's so cool. It took - (laughter) it took 30 years and making a "Star Wars" movie to do it, but I finally got my Walker - nerd (laughter).

DEL BARCO: Now that "The Last Jedi" is out, Rian Johnson will soon begin plotting new "Star Wars" stories. Mandalit del Barco, NPR News.

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