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美国国家公共电台 NPR Why Did Trump Delay Security Aid To Ukraine?

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Why Did Trump1 Delay Security Aid To Ukraine?

AILSA CHANG, HOST:

Why did the Trump administration delay nearly $400 million in security aid to Ukraine? That is the question at the heart of the impeachment2 inquiry3 into President Trump. Was it because, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says, the president tried to coerce4 an ally to help him take down a political opponent?

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

NANCY PELOSI: The president abused his power for his own personal political benefit.

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

Or was it, as Republicans like Congressman5 Jim Jordan argue, a routine use of presidential power?

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JIM JORDAN: President Trump was still skeptical6 of giving hard-earned tax dollars to Ukraine, right?

KURT VOLKER: Yes.

JORDAN: You said that in your testimony7 as well. And the reason he's skeptical is - let's be honest - the guy doesn't like foreign aid.

KELLY: Our co-host Audie Cornish has been digging into that question and takes it from here.

AUDIE CORNISH, BYLINE8: This story isn't going to start in a smoky back room in the Ukrainian embassy or a grand hall at the State Department. Instead, we're going to the bowels9 of Capitol Hill to get help explaining from someone who usually has a front-row seat to how foreign aid gets spent - Tim Rieser.

TIM RIESER: Hi. How are you?

CORNISH: Rieser is a staff director of the Senate subcommittee that handles funding for State Department programs. He works for Vermont Democrat11 Pat Leahy. And Rieser's office is covered with keepsakes from around the world.

RIESER: This wooden bell from Somalia - you know, just to remind me of why we're here.

CORNISH: He usually works behind the scenes. His Republican counterparts on the House and Senate declined to speak with us. We found Rieser's office after following this Byzantine path of Post-Its that landed at a fortress12 of file cabinets.

RIESER: Oh, my God. That is a tiny fraction of it (laughter).

CORNISH: Now, a '70s-era law says a U.S. president can't unilaterally withhold13 funds designated for spending by Congress.

RIESER: They can't just simply decide, even though Congress appropriated money for X, we're going to spend it for Y.

CORNISH: Rieser says, the way it typically works - the White House can ask for a delay or even ask to halt funding altogether, but it has to tell Congress.

RIESER: We recognize that things do change, elections happen, governments are overthrown14, policies fail, and it makes sense to revisit them.

CORNISH: In July, the White House delayed Ukraine's aid package. Meanwhile, the Defense15 Department had certified16 that the country was making good on anti-corruption17 benchmarks, and yet the security assistance the Pentagon had asked for hadn't gone through. Rieser wondered if that meant the State Department aid to Ukraine might be frozen as well. Turns out, it was. When it comes to congressional funds, it's use it or lose it. So by the time September came around, the White House was skirting close to the deadline by which they were legally supposed to alert Congress to an official reason for the freeze. Then someone filed a whistleblower complaint. The White House released the funds shortly after. And by the end of the month...

RIESER: The whistleblower complaint became public.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #1: We've got breaking news as we come on the air in the impeachment inquiry into President Trump. Just moments ago, the House Intelligence Committee released a declassified18 complaint from that whistleblower against President Trump.

CORNISH: Here's how President Trump explained it all in an October interview.

(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE SEAN HANNITY SHOW")

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We have an obligation to investigate corruption.

SEAN HANNITY: Faithfully execute.

TRUMP: And that's what it was. In my opinion, that's what it was - is corruption.

CORNISH: But Rieser says this is actually part of a broader trend with this administration. Trump White House budgets have tried and failed to slash19 foreign aid, and the president isn't afraid to use diplomatic assistance as leverage20. Think back to when Trump worried about migrant caravans21 at the border.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

TRUMP: We stopped payment to Honduras, to Guatemala and to El Salvador. We were paying them tremendous amounts of money, and we're not paying them anymore because they haven't done a thing for us.

CORNISH: But Rieser says the delay on aid to Ukraine was unusual because it involved military assistance that had bipartisan support. And after seeing the notes from President Trump's phone call and that line, do us a favor...

RIESER: It's just fundamentally different. It was to try to obtain information that could be advantageous22 in a political campaign, which has nothing to do with U.S. foreign policy or U.S. national security.

CORNISH: Rieser doesn't buy the idea that Trump's team was essentially23 vetting24 the new Ukrainian leader.

RIESER: It was laughable. They've never expressed concern to us about corruption in Ukraine, not this White House - or, frankly25, anywhere.

CORNISH: There are ways for a White House to express concerns about corruption, and this isn't the first Republican administration skeptical of how foreign aid is spent.

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PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH: As you can see, I'm traveling in some pretty good company today - Bono.

CORNISH: This is President George W. Bush back in 2002. The Irish pop star was at his side, and Bush was announcing a program to monitor and score countries that received special grant funding from the U.S.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

BUSH: So the Millennium26 Challenge Account will reward nations that root out corruption, respect human rights and adhere to the rule of law.

CORNISH: Brad Parks helped run it.

BRAD PARKS: Is this Audie?

CORNISH: Yeah. How are you?

PARKS: I'm doing quite well.

CORNISH: I hear if there's one person who knows about aid to countries that might, like, be dealing27 with corruption, it's you.

PARKS: Guilty as charged.

(LAUGHTER)

CORNISH: Today Parks runs AidData, a research lab at the College of William and Mary that tracks foreign aid.

PARKS: At the government agency where I worked, the Millennium Challenge Corporation, we documented over 200 instances of anti-corruption reforms that were encouraged or otherwise incentivized by the U.S. government. And I'm not aware of a single instance in which the U.S. government made an ask for a government to investigate or prosecute28 a particular politician for abuse of power.

CORNISH: Parks says over the last 15 years, the U.S. has actually developed a pretty good framework for foreign aid to countries struggling with corruption. For example, in 2005, the U.S. withheld29 aid from Yemen when it looked like that country was backsliding on reforms. But everyone - Congress and the White House - they were all in agreement.

PARKS: And they would ensure that all of the different parts of the U.S. government are singing from the same sheet of music, trying to reinforce the importance of adequately funding anti-corruption agencies and safeguarding their independence to ensure that they can investigate and prosecute abuses of power without fear or favor.

CORNISH: Yemen followed through, strengthening its anti-corruption commission, making government contracts more transparent30. Parks says Trump's handling of Ukraine this summer sends the wrong message abroad.

PARKS: You know, one of the things that I'm paying close attention to is whether the signal that other countries around the world will get is that the U.S. government is principally concerned with the strength of countries' anti-corruption policies and institutions or if parts of the U.S. government view anti-corruption institutions as tools to be used for very specific political purposes, which I think could undermine these broader efforts that have been underway for the better part of the last decade to encourage clean government.

CORNISH: OK, so with that in mind, let's go back to this moment.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #2: Can you explain to us now, definitively31, why was funding withheld?

CORNISH: The October press conference with Mick Mulvaney, the acting32 White House chief of staff and director of the Office of Management and Budget, or OMB. Mulvaney told the press the White House was worried about corruption in Ukraine and worried other countries weren't doing their part to contribute.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MICK MULVANEY: Those were the driving factors. Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that's it. That's why we held up the money.

CORNISH: But when pressed...

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER #3: What you just described is a quid pro10 quo. It is - funding will not flow unless the investigation33 into the Democratic server happened as well.

MULVANEY: We do that all the time with foreign policy.

CORNISH: And Mulvaney didn't stop there.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

MULVANEY: And I have news for everybody - get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy.

SAM BERGER: We were all a little bit shocked.

CORNISH: Sam Berger was watching, too. He used to work as a lawyer for OMB but under the Obama administration.

BERGER: Always happy to talk OMB.

CORNISH: And from his point of view, the White House did violate budget law in delaying assistance to Ukraine. We asked OMB to comment. They did not respond. Berger says if you look at the testimony from OMB officials during the impeachment inquiry, they say staffers raised concerns about the freeze on Ukraine aid; in fact, two quit in part because of it. And the White House, Berger says, carried on, having a political appointee sign off.

To you, why does this matter? I mean, are budgetary concerns like this impeachable34 offenses35?

BERGER: Well, also, it shows the irregular process that they undertook in order to route around career officials. You don't do that because you're doing something straightforward37, legal that you can justify38 to everyone. You do that because you're trying to cover up what it is that you're getting at. And so we saw, in a regular foreign policy process led by Rudy Giuliani and others, here we have an irregular budget process. So it's not that the violation39 of the budget law itself is an impeachable offense36, but it's what it was used for, right? It was used to extort40 a foreign power to interfere41 in our elections.

CORNISH: Extortion, bribery42 - these are the terms that can land a president under threat of impeachment. But Andrew Natsios, the former head of USAID under George W. Bush, says he does not think that's what Trump has done.

ANDREW NATSIOS: I'm a Republican - not a Trump Republican. I'm a Reagan-Bush Republican.

CORNISH: Natsios is now at Texas A&M University. Oh, and he's writing a book on the topic.

NATSIOS: Guns are not enough foreign aid in the national interest.

CORNISH: He says there are plenty of times he's disagreed with how the president handles foreign aid, like withholding43 support from those Central American countries.

NATSIOS: Did he have the right to do it? Absolutely. Was it wise policy? Absolutely not.

CORNISH: I asked Natsios about the president's hold this summer on aid to Ukraine. Was that, to him, an impeachable offense?

NATSIOS: Should Jimmy Carter be investigated because he provided a generous aid package to Egypt and Israel to get them to sign the Camp David Accords? Is that bribery? I don't think so. I agreed with him doing it.

CORNISH: Is there something particular about a request that would personally benefit the president?

NATSIOS: Yes. The question is you'd have to prove intent. He can argue, which is what he's been doing, that he was worried about the level of corruption in the Ukrainian government. You can be skeptical about his reasoning, but that is a legitimate44 question. Whether he had other motives45 for doing it is a debatable question. Is it impeachable? I don't think so.

CORNISH: And that decision will have consequences; consequences that extend far beyond the halls of Congress.

KELLY: That's our co-host, Audie Cornish, and that piece was produced by Sam Gringlas.

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1 trump LU1zK     
n.王牌,法宝;v.打出王牌,吹喇叭
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2 impeachment fqSzd5     
n.弹劾;控告;怀疑
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3 inquiry nbgzF     
n.打听,询问,调查,查问
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4 coerce Hqxz2     
v.强迫,压制
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n.(美)国会议员
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6 skeptical MxHwn     
adj.怀疑的,多疑的
参考例句:
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7 testimony zpbwO     
n.证词;见证,证明
参考例句:
  • The testimony given by him is dubious.他所作的证据是可疑的。
  • He was called in to bear testimony to what the police officer said.他被传入为警官所说的话作证。
8 byline sSXyQ     
n.署名;v.署名
参考例句:
  • His byline was absent as well.他的署名也不见了。
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n.肠,内脏,内部;肠( bowel的名词复数 );内部,最深处
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  • Salts is a medicine that causes movements of the bowels. 泻盐是一种促使肠子运动的药物。 来自《简明英汉词典》
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10 pro tk3zvX     
n.赞成,赞成的意见,赞成者
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11 democrat Xmkzf     
n.民主主义者,民主人士;民主党党员
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12 fortress Mf2zz     
n.堡垒,防御工事
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13 withhold KMEz1     
v.拒绝,不给;使停止,阻挡
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14 overthrown 1e19c245f384e53a42f4faa000742c18     
adj. 打翻的,推倒的,倾覆的 动词overthrow的过去分词
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  • The president was overthrown in a military coup. 总统在军事政变中被赶下台。
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15 defense AxbxB     
n.防御,保卫;[pl.]防务工事;辩护,答辩
参考例句:
  • The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
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a.经证明合格的;具有证明文件的
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  • Doctors certified him as insane. 医生证明他精神失常。
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17 corruption TzCxn     
n.腐败,堕落,贪污
参考例句:
  • The people asked the government to hit out against corruption and theft.人民要求政府严惩贪污盗窃。
  • The old man reviled against corruption.那老人痛斥了贪污舞弊。
18 declassified b56a643a7afdc981163cf707b8543794     
adj.解密的v.对(机密文件等)销密( declassify的过去式和过去分词 )
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19 slash Hrsyq     
vi.大幅度削减;vt.猛砍,尖锐抨击,大幅减少;n.猛砍,斜线,长切口,衣衩
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20 leverage 03gyC     
n.力量,影响;杠杆作用,杠杆的力量
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21 caravans 44e69dd45f2a4d2a551377510c9ca407     
(可供居住的)拖车(通常由机动车拖行)( caravan的名词复数 ); 篷车; (穿过沙漠地带的)旅行队(如商队)
参考例句:
  • Old-fashioned gypsy caravans are painted wooden vehicles that are pulled by horses. 旧式的吉卜赛大篷车是由马拉的涂了颜色的木质车辆。
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22 advantageous BK5yp     
adj.有利的;有帮助的
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  • Injections of vitamin C are obviously advantageous.注射维生素C显然是有利的。
  • You're in a very advantageous position.你处于非常有利的地位。
23 essentially nntxw     
adv.本质上,实质上,基本上
参考例句:
  • Really great men are essentially modest.真正的伟人大都很谦虚。
  • She is an essentially selfish person.她本质上是个自私自利的人。
24 vetting a80d8b6e330219174b308e2937edab43     
n.数据检查[核对,核实]v.审查(某人过去的记录、资格等)( vet的现在分词 );调查;检查;诊疗
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  • Scripts had to be submitted to Ministry of Information officials for vetting. 必须把脚本提交给信息部官员审查。 来自互联网
  • Their purpose in clicking deeper into a site is one of vetting. 他们深入点击网站的目的是一种诊疗。 来自互联网
25 frankly fsXzcf     
adv.坦白地,直率地;坦率地说
参考例句:
  • To speak frankly, I don't like the idea at all.老实说,我一点也不赞成这个主意。
  • Frankly speaking, I'm not opposed to reform.坦率地说,我不反对改革。
26 millennium x7DzO     
n.一千年,千禧年;太平盛世
参考例句:
  • The whole world was counting down to the new millennium.全世界都在倒计时迎接新千年的到来。
  • We waited as the clock ticked away the last few seconds of the old millennium.我们静候着时钟滴答走过千年的最后几秒钟。
27 dealing NvjzWP     
n.经商方法,待人态度
参考例句:
  • This store has an excellent reputation for fair dealing.该商店因买卖公道而享有极高的声誉。
  • His fair dealing earned our confidence.他的诚实的行为获得我们的信任。
28 prosecute d0Mzn     
vt.告发;进行;vi.告发,起诉,作检察官
参考例句:
  • I am trying my best to prosecute my duties.我正在尽力履行我的职责。
  • Is there enough evidence to prosecute?有没有起诉的足够证据?
29 withheld f9d7381abd94e53d1fbd8a4e53915ec8     
withhold过去式及过去分词
参考例句:
  • I withheld payment until they had fulfilled the contract. 他们履行合同后,我才付款。 来自《简明英汉词典》
  • There was no school play because the principal withheld his consent. 由于校长没同意,学校里没有举行比赛。 来自《简明英汉词典》
30 transparent Smhwx     
adj.明显的,无疑的;透明的
参考例句:
  • The water is so transparent that we can see the fishes swimming.水清澈透明,可以看到鱼儿游来游去。
  • The window glass is transparent.窗玻璃是透明的。
31 definitively bfa3c9e3e641847693ee64d5d8ab604b     
adv.决定性地,最后地
参考例句:
  • None of the three super-states could be definitively conquered even by the other two in combination. 三个超级国家中的任何一国都不可能被任何两国的联盟所绝对打败。 来自英汉文学
  • Therefore, nothing can ever be definitively proved with a photograph. 因此,没有什么可以明确了一张照片。 来自互联网
32 acting czRzoc     
n.演戏,行为,假装;adj.代理的,临时的,演出用的
参考例句:
  • Ignore her,she's just acting.别理她,她只是假装的。
  • During the seventies,her acting career was in eclipse.在七十年代,她的表演生涯黯然失色。
33 investigation MRKzq     
n.调查,调查研究
参考例句:
  • In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
  • He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。
34 impeachable impeachable     
adj.可控告的,可弹劾的
参考例句:
  • Thus, Congress cannot remove an executive official except for impeachable offenses. 因此,除非有可弹劾的行为,否则国会不能罢免行政官员。 来自英汉非文学 - 行政法
  • The government officer committed an impeachable offence. 那位政府官员犯了可能招致弹劾的罪行。 来自辞典例句
35 offenses 4bfaaba4d38a633561a0153eeaf73f91     
n.进攻( offense的名词复数 );(球队的)前锋;进攻方法;攻势
参考例句:
  • It's wrong of you to take the child to task for such trifling offenses. 因这类小毛病责备那孩子是你的不对。 来自《简明英汉词典》
  • Thus, Congress cannot remove an executive official except for impeachable offenses. 因此,除非有可弹劾的行为,否则国会不能罢免行政官员。 来自英汉非文学 - 行政法
36 offense HIvxd     
n.犯规,违法行为;冒犯,得罪
参考例句:
  • I hope you will not take any offense at my words. 对我讲的话请别见怪。
  • His words gave great offense to everybody present.他的发言冲犯了在场的所有人。
37 straightforward fFfyA     
adj.正直的,坦率的;易懂的,简单的
参考例句:
  • A straightforward talk is better than a flowery speech.巧言不如直说。
  • I must insist on your giving me a straightforward answer.我一定要你给我一个直截了当的回答。
38 justify j3DxR     
vt.证明…正当(或有理),为…辩护
参考例句:
  • He tried to justify his absence with lame excuses.他想用站不住脚的借口为自己的缺席辩解。
  • Can you justify your rude behavior to me?你能向我证明你的粗野行为是有道理的吗?
39 violation lLBzJ     
n.违反(行为),违背(行为),侵犯
参考例句:
  • He roared that was a violation of the rules.他大声说,那是违反规则的。
  • He was fined 200 dollars for violation of traffic regulation.他因违反交通规则被罚款200美元。
40 extort KP1zQ     
v.勒索,敲诈,强要
参考例句:
  • The blackmailer tried to extort a large sum of money from him.勒索者企图向他勒索一大笔钱。
  • They absolutely must not harm the people or extort money from them.严格禁止坑害勒索群众。
41 interfere b5lx0     
v.(in)干涉,干预;(with)妨碍,打扰
参考例句:
  • If we interfere, it may do more harm than good.如果我们干预的话,可能弊多利少。
  • When others interfere in the affair,it always makes troubles. 别人一卷入这一事件,棘手的事情就来了。
42 bribery Lxdz7Z     
n.贿络行为,行贿,受贿
参考例句:
  • FBI found out that the senator committed bribery.美国联邦调查局查明这个参议员有受贿行为。
  • He was charged with bribery.他被指控受贿。
43 withholding 7eXzD6     
扣缴税款
参考例句:
  • She was accused of withholding information from the police. 她被指控对警方知情不报。
  • The judge suspected the witness was withholding information. 法官怀疑见证人在隐瞒情况。
44 legitimate L9ZzJ     
adj.合法的,合理的,合乎逻辑的;v.使合法
参考例句:
  • Sickness is a legitimate reason for asking for leave.生病是请假的一个正当的理由。
  • That's a perfectly legitimate fear.怀有这种恐惧完全在情理之中。
45 motives 6c25d038886898b20441190abe240957     
n.动机,目的( motive的名词复数 )
参考例句:
  • to impeach sb's motives 怀疑某人的动机
  • His motives are unclear. 他的用意不明。
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